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Jim Dettman

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Well Honda has gotten serious about off-road once again.
« on: May 07, 2017, 04:47:50 pm »
Well Honda has gotten serious about off-road once again.  New CRF250L is a serious dual sporter:

http://powersports.honda.com/Model/dual%20sport/2017/crf250l.aspx

Liquid Cooled, EFI, Six speed tranny, 18" rear, for a base price of $5149

 ABS and a rally model are options.

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Re: Well Honda has gotten serious about off-road once again.
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2017, 04:58:50 pm »
They look so cheesy/wimpy/lame though
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2017, 09:27:51 pm »
That is a nice bike at that price point.  Interested to see how it stacks up to the Yamaha in that class.
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2017, 06:59:54 am »
That is a nice bike at that price point.  Interested to see how it stacks up to the Yamaha in that class.

 That was my thinking (price point) considering that an CRFX/R is over $7K, and some of the KTM's are up around $10K now.   I'm not up to speed with the Yamaha or Suzuki lines are at, but for what is being offered the price seems more than reasonable.    So it's one of two things; either they skimped on things in various places to get the price point down, or they are serious about being competitive in the dual sport market.  Will remain to be seen.

 I should have also added that it also has a digital dash (ie a trail tech type deal).

 But I think the bike will appeal to a lot of riders and they will have a winner with this.   Dual sport seems to be getting bigger and bigger (at least here in the Northeast).

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Re: Well Honda has gotten serious about off-road once again.
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2017, 09:29:12 am »
New CRF250L is a serious dual sporter ...

I don't think so:

- 317.5 lbs
- 10" of ground clearance (without a skid plate)
- No apparent adjustable compression or rebound dampening

This a nice little campground bike in my opinion.  And I don't see how it is any better than the 18 year-old DRZ400S.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 09:40:47 am »
As for the cost..well Honda has global manufacturing.  They can probably produce that bike in China, Thailand, or somewhere VERY cheap to help keep the cost down.

Definitely cheaper than making KTMs and Huskys in Austria where you have to adhere to all of the European Union socialist regulations.

317.5 lbs though?  LOL.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2017, 09:48:15 am »
As for the competing models...

Well there's the WR250R, which is basically the same thing.

And the DRZ400, which is similar.

It's not really competition for any of the KTMs though.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 11:33:13 am »
As for the competing models...

Well there's the WR250R, which is basically the same thing.

And the DRZ400, which is similar.

I would say that the 17 year-old DRZ400S and the WR250R are more capable dual sports than this "new" CRF250L.

- Honda CRF250L 317.5 lbs
- Suzuki DRZ400S 317 lbs
- Yamaha WR250R 295 lbs

It's not really competition for any of the KTMs though.

Beta and Sherco, maybe; but on a much smaller scale.

Let's face it, Honda, Kawasaki, and Suzuki focus their efforts on ATVs, cruisers, sport bikes, and MX bikes (cars, lawnmowers, and generators too for Honda).
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 12:59:59 pm »
Suzuki, at this point, is just hanging on for dear life.  Hence why they've been giving away bikes with 0%-2% financing for the last four or five years.  And even then, how many Suzukis do you see at any event?  A handful at motocross that's about it.

Kawasaki has a similar sales model to Honda.   They are part of a massive company that sells ships, spaceships, missiles, airplanes, and trains.  So I doubt losing a few million a year on motorcycles hurts the bottom line much.

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 02:24:36 pm »
Suzuki, at this point, is just hanging on for dear life.  Hence why they've been giving away bikes with 0%-2% financing for the last four or five years.  And even then, how many Suzukis do you see at any event?  A handful at motocross that's about it.

Agreed, they are not doing well ... but some of their street bikes are the best in class, IMHO.

In the '90s, Suzuki ruled the enduro, GNCC, and dual sport events with the RMX250, RM250, and DR350.  If you attended a dual sport event in the '90s, 75% of the bikes were DR350's and maybe 5% were KTMs.  Now 80% of the bikes are KTMs or Husqvarnas (white KTMs), 5% are other euro models, and the remainder are Jap bikes.

Fortunately, Yamaha has not given up and the 2017 Honda CRF450RX is a step in the right direction.  A 450 is too much around here, I hope there is a CRF250RX in the works.
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 05:19:56 pm »
New CRF250L is a serious dual sporter ...

I don't think so:

- 317.5 lbs
- 10" of ground clearance (without a skid plate)
- No apparent adjustable compression or rebound dampening

This a nice little campground bike in my opinion.  And I don't see how it is any better than the 18 year-old DRZ400S.

  I'd take 10" of travel for a 34" seat height....mind you the CRFX's have 12", but they have a 38" seat height as well and most look to lower the bike.   Although I won't disagree you could do better on suspension.   Of course your talking about a dual sport vs a race bike.

  The two are certainly not the same.
 
  What really got me is the major overhaul the CRF250L got.   It went from a nothing bike to liquid cooled, EFI, and six speed box. all major features.

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 07:49:33 pm »

  What really got me is the major overhaul the CRF250L got.   It went from a nothing bike to liquid cooled, EFI, and six speed box. all major features.

Jim.

Other than the windshield, the 2017 CRF250L does not seem to be too different from the 2012 through 2016 CRF250L.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 09:26:40 am »
Wasn't the older one air cooled and pretty underpowered?  A little power and suspension upgrade while still a couple grand cheaper than the wr makes me interested.  Would love to have a little light dual sport to throw in the toyhauler for weekend camping trips.  Something quiet and light to run around the campground or down to some close by areas of interest.  Maybe explore some back roads as we end up in the Adirondacks at least once a year.  Alas, disposable income for a bike just never in the budget.
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 12:48:21 pm »
Wasn't the older one air cooled and pretty underpowered? A little power and suspension upgrade while still a couple grand cheaper than the wr makes me interested.  Would love to have a little light dual sport to throw in the toyhauler for weekend camping trips.  Something quiet and light to run around the campground or down to some close by areas of interest.  Maybe explore some back roads as we end up in the Adirondacks at least once a year.  Alas, disposable income for a bike just never in the budget.

Prior to 2012, Honda had the air-cooled CRF230L.  It was an OK campground bike, but the rear shock wasn't even rebuildable.  And I imagine that the bike struggled over 55 MPH.

For Adirondack exploring, I really like Suzuki's DR650.
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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 10:18:49 pm »
My wife rides a Honda CRF 230L and loves it.  Uses it for Adventure and Trail riding.  Have a Seat Concepts seat which makes it really comfortable.  Does lack power and suspension but perfect for her!  This bike was made in Japan and so far the quality seems very good.  Desmogged, opened up the air box, heated grips, hand guards, and a rack on the back.  Stock exhaust is almost to quiet but would be perfect for buzzing around a campground or on fire roads.  The CRF 250L would be too tall for her.  A buddy of mine has one and loves it but says it lacks power as well.
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