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They list the weight with a full tank of fuel.  It holds a whole two gallons (really?  come on two gallons?) so that's 13 lbs right off the top and I'm sure KTM is listing theirs with empty tanks.

For the 2018 KTM 500 EXC, KTM claims 240 lbs dry (which has been verified by the industry); add in 15 lbs for fuel, coolant, and oil puts you 255 lbs wet .... 34 lbs less than the "new" 2019 CRF450L.

Yes, you can strip weight off of the Honda but you can do the same with the KTM.

FWIW, the off-road only 2019 Honda CRF450X is 275 lbs wet and also does not offer a kick start.

No kickstart...meh.  Lots of manufacturers are dumping that.  Roll it down a hill if the battery dies :)

Unless you are at the bottom of a hill or gully ... or if you have a Rekluse auto clutch.  Then you are SOL.

Granted, I am glad that Honda is FINALLY getting serious about the dual sport trail riding market.  But to not offer any way to add a kick starter and show up 34 lbs heavier than the 3 year-old bike that is 50cc larger is not going to get any customers to jump ship.
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They list the weight with a full tank of fuel.  It holds a whole two gallons (really?  come on two gallons?) so that's 13 lbs right off the top and I'm sure KTM is listing theirs with empty tanks.

No kickstart...meh.  Lots of manufacturers are dumping that.  Roll it down a hill if the battery dies :)
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https://dirtbikemagazine.com/inside-hondas-new-crf450l-dual-sport-bike-the-wrap/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Dirt%20Bike%20News%205-26&utm_content=Dirt%20Bike%20News%205-26+CID_2e2219304f2470db5b8458ba8b6198d5&utm_source=create%20send&utm_term=UP%20CLOSE%20WITH%20THE%20HONDA%20CRF450L

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The bikeís weight was a topic of concern. Itís listed at 289 pounds. Thatís shocking when you compare it to the Husky FE501 (248 pounds without fuel on our scale) and the Beta 500RR (257 pounds). But you need to take several factors into consideration.

Look Mom, no kick start:

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OK, so it looks like Honda is getting more serious and responding up to KTM's dominance of the off-road and dual sport market by offering with the 2019 CRF250RX and street-legal 2019 CRF450L:

https://powersports.honda.com/2019/crf250rx.aspx

https://powersports.honda.com/2019/crf450l.aspx

Granted, Honda did introduce the 2018 CRF450RX but a 450 is way too much power for most East Coast riders.

I am glad that Honda and Yamaha have gotten more and more involved again the off-road and dual sport market.  Hopefully, this added competition and pressure will force KTM to stop being so cocky with their pricing.

But, I am still sort of missing the mid to late 90's when Suzuki dominated off-road racing and the dual sport market.

Anywho, here is an early 3rd party review:

http://www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/2019-honda-crf450l-announced/

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Understanding Hondaís strict durability standards for street-legal machines, we have little doubt that a properly-maintained CRF450L would handle the rigors of long-sustained travel. So far on paper, the only thing that might put a damper on riding this machine is a curb weight that tips the scales a bit heavy for the class. At a claimed 289 pounds wet (the new CRF450X is 275 pounds), the CRF450L is about 34 pounds heavier than a KTM 500 EXC-F. Also, depending on your budget, the target price of $10,399 might be a little steep but it is still about $600 cheaper than the Austrian 500s of the same style.

At 30 lbs heavier, though they will definitely need to be more most cost competitive (than $600 cheaper) to dethrone KTM.

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Craigslist and Ebay ads / Re: ATV For Sale
« Last post by redrider911 on May 16, 2018, 06:51:44 pm »
That is one of those narrow dork wheelers I think. Would be good to have to clear some single track. $900 seems high though
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Dirtbike, quad, and street bike talk / Re: 2016 Shercos
« Last post by Trail Ryder on May 14, 2018, 12:16:51 pm »
I see a few issues besides that.

1) French.  Aside from being unlikable, they also build weird shit that is different from anything else, with marginal quality.  I guess when you only work 35 hours a week, 42 weeks a year...:)

2) 17 dealers nationally.  http://shercooffroad.com/wp/?page_id=206#/map
Seems like a bike with so little support could have parts disappear in a heartbeat.


Looks like they are now up to 18 dealers.  LOL

And still no kick-start (a total deal breaker for me).

Anywho, here is a test of the 2018 SHERCO 300SE-R 2-Stroke:

https://dirtbikemagazine.com/2018-sherco-300se-r-2-stroke-full-test/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Dirt%20Bike%20News%205-6&utm_content=Dirt%20Bike%20News%205-6+CID_969a62564a57fd9312b98992d517fb69&utm_source=create%20send&utm_term=2018%20SHERCO%20300SE-R%202-STROKE%20FULL%20TEST

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Dirtbike, quad, and street bike talk / Re: $11,699!!!
« Last post by redrider911 on May 10, 2018, 07:55:08 pm »
Ktm is getting retarded with these prices. I wish the jap bikes would catch up
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Dirtbike, quad, and street bike talk / Re: $11,699!!!
« Last post by Trail Ryder on May 10, 2018, 04:08:48 pm »
they will prob sell everyone too

8 months later and they are still asking MSRP:  https://rochester.craigslist.org/mcd/d/2018-ktm-450-exc-six-days/6584523490.html

And it hasn't sold.  Go figure.
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